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| Fulgore | Feb 17 2012, 06:39 PM Post #61 |
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You're WAY off base. Not only is physical abuse not allowed, psychological abuse is not allowed either. Psychological abuse can range from threatening your children to screaming at them. Go research some more. ' Shooting your OWN property is abuse? ROFL What are you smoking? WHAT KIND OF ABUSE? Property abuse? He used his own laptop as target practice, such abuse! Edited by Fulgore, Feb 17 2012, 06:40 PM.
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| sylentknyte | Feb 17 2012, 08:51 PM Post #62 |
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How am I way off base? Where did I say that I condone psycological abuse? I don't condone any kind of abuse. Now, when I said abusive, I meant it in more of a psycological way. I mean first, he humiliates his daughter, then posts is for everyone in her school, and later, everyone in the world to see. Second, using a gun like that to solve problems, promotes violence in my opinion. The pen is much stronger than the sword. Third, I have no problem with him destroying the laptop, but to say "Now you have to pay me back for the property I just destroyed", is BS. Edited by sylentknyte, Feb 17 2012, 09:01 PM.
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| SirParagon | Feb 17 2012, 11:25 PM Post #63 |
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This has nothing to do with destroying one's own property, it was violent action he decided to take as a screwed up means of conveying a brutish point obviously meant to induce fear. What kind of horrible parent wants their own child scared to interact with them? He essentially threatened his daughter with a gun. More from the master, "When you're using aggression, you're not reasoning..." Edited by SirParagon, Feb 17 2012, 11:32 PM.
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| sylentknyte | Feb 18 2012, 01:10 AM Post #64 |
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If you want to know what I think a model parent is, read the book "To Kill a Mockingbird", and take note of the character "Atticus Finch". He's firm and disciplins his kids, yet he never hits them. He talks to them when they have problems. He doesnt have a lot of time, but try's to do his best. He loves his kids. He instills no fear in them, yet sets them straight. Thats the way an "ideal" father should be in my eyes. Not the lunatic in this video. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Feb 18 2012, 02:15 AM Post #65 |
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The World has changed. You can't discipline kids by just talking/being strict with them. You try being strict with a kid, they'll just fight back. You know why? Because their friends do. Sure, Parents might be to blame, but it's not necessarily the child's parents. If one kid has bad parents and openly fights back against them with no response from the parents, other kids in the child's friendship group are going to do the same. In no way am I saying that Parents should be physical or abusive, I'm just saying that in Today's society, it's becoming increasingly harder to be a who disciplines solely through words with good results. |
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Feb 18 2012, 05:10 PM Post #66 |
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Aimed at not just one single user, but every user saying it is more society's fault: you forget that people of society were raised by their parents. You are thinking of one hypothetical child with good parents, but a bad society. I was not saying 'if there was just one hypothetical family, and the child was bad, who is to blame?' If you say that a kid can be bad because he has very good helpful parents, but bad friends and a bad society, these bad friends were raised by bad parents. So, if every single person in this society was raised by good parents, and had a good upbringing, then how would they influence other people negatively? What is every single person was raised by bad parents with a bad upbringing? They would have a bad personality, naturally. |
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| + Steve | Feb 18 2012, 06:35 PM Post #67 |
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Exactly. Many kids these days have problems like ADHD and will just not listen, to anyone. If you tell your kid off and they keep doing it what are you supposed to do then? Just keep telling them off? It doesn't work. Even if you're kid is a total *****er you still love them so putting them up for adoption or sending them away is just cruel, you can't do that just because they won't go to their bed. As far as most people are concerned these days everything you do to you kid for discipline is "abuse" no, it's discipline. People should be allowed to smack their child, it's not like it kills them is it? Just a slap should do not a beating with a stick. Kids that get to do whatever they want whenever they want grow up to be total dicks and they just continue to be that way and are still just as likely to commit crime, because they're never been taught that they can't get away with everything. There's too many kids like that these days, and it's societys fault. People band together and tell everyone it's wrong and disgusting to smack a child for doing something wrong, so less people do it, creating more dickhead children. A slap doesn't make someone in to a serial killer, if anyone is that sensitive they should probably be locked up anyway not every child is like that. If that were the case most peoples grandparents would be merciless murderers, ones who got caned in the past. But you'll find most old people are pretty gentle and calm unless a) they're ill b) they got really really badly abused and turned to alcoholism. All it really takes is one discipline moment if done correctly. Take for example when I was little I done something pretty bad can't remember what something that caused damage. Anyway my mother slapped me on the back of the hand. Of course it hurt and it made me tear up(I was about 5) but I never resented her for it, I shouldn't have done whatever it was and I never done anything bad again by myself. Bad things I did after that were purely down to peer pressure etc. It doesn't take much a kid only needs to be reminded who's in charge and that they have to follow the rules, it's not abuse at all it's actually pretty good guidance if you ask me everyone I know that's been treated the same way is respectful to elders and polite. I know one child ONE child under 10 that says "please" or "thank you" And that's out of hundreds of kids from the schools I've been to and my sisters. Is it good that those kids have zero respect for anyone? I think not. |
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| sylentknyte | Feb 18 2012, 08:06 PM Post #68 |
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Maybe its just where I live, but I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Even though I dont personally prefer it, I've never heard of anyone in my area being arrested or having their kids taken away because they spanked them. Its still a pretty widely accepted form of disciplin, within reason. Anyways, 90% of the time I see a *****head of a kid, the parents are to blame. They spoil them, codle them, never disciplin them, etc. If they were raised properly from the begining, I don't they would have those problems. Like my little cousin for example, I love him, but he was a really hard kid to deal with. His mother would always yell at him, speak brashly, and curse around him. So he followed that example, and became a little dickhead. I mean, what do you expect? I view it as building a foundation, and working from there. If you raise them the right way, from a young age, they will most likely be good kids. Sure they will have little problems here and there, but no big deal. If you do a poor job in the beginning, you cant expect them to change over-night. Its your fault, plain and simple. Now, if you're talking about ADD, aspergers, etc, that is out of the norm, and thats not what I'm talking about. Obviously those kids have to be handled differently. Edited by sylentknyte, Feb 18 2012, 08:08 PM.
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